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08-02-2022, 09:03 PM #1
Kansas voters resoundingly rejected a measure which, if passed, would have established no right to abortion and no right to public funding for abortion under the state constitution.
A “yes” vote on the measure, Amendment 2, would have eliminated the right to abortion under the state Constitution, while the “no” vote would leave the constitutional protections to abortion in Kansas unchanged.
The rejection of the ballot measures leaves intact a 2019 decision by the state Supreme Court establishing a right to abortion under the Kansas Bill of Rights.
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The amendment was on the ballot as a yes-no question, and would have required a simple majority of the vote to pass. The”yes” vote on the amendment was losing by over 30 points when Insider and Decision Desk HQ projected that “no” had won shortly before 9 p.m. local time.With heavy turnout
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08-02-2022, 10:36 PM #2
Originally Posted byVoluntarist
Kansas Rejects Amendment 2
With heavy turnout
Yep. Very sad.
Republicans outnumber Democrats by almost 2 to 1 in this state and this still was defeated 60-40. So we can’t blame this on the dems. And I personally know Christians who were against the amendment.
And realize, the amendment was just to state that the Kansas Constitution does NOT give you a “fundamental right to abort” which is what KS Supreme Court ruled, taking the power out of the legislatures hands to even regulate it.
And people came out in droves to vote. Not for ending war. Not for saving the rain forests. For protecting the right to kill the unborn as an absolute right.
Very sad.
When a trumpet sounds in a city, do not the people tremble?
When disaster comes to a city, has not the Lord caused it? Amos 3:6
08-02-2022, 10:45 PM #3
I would also point out that KS Supreme Court decided this based on this in the KS Constitution:
https://www.npr.org/2019/04/26/71744…ht-to-abortion
The decision continues: “We are now asked: ‘Is this declaration of rights more than an idealized aspiration? And, if so, do the substantive rights include a woman’s right to make decisions about her body, including the decision whether to continue her pregnancy? We answer these questions, ‘Yes.’ “
The court continued that “this right allows a woman to make her own decisions regarding her body, health, family formation, and family life — decisions that can include whether to continue a pregnancy.”
“The State may only infringe upon the right to decide whether to continue a pregnancy,” the ruling continued, “if the State has a compelling interest and has narrowly tailored its actions to that interest.”
But they should note, the KS Constitution also says in the preamble this here phrase: We, the people of Kansas,grateful to Almighty
God for our civil and religious privileges, in order
to insure the full enjoyment of our rights as
American citizens, do ordain and establish this
constitution of the state of Kansas As I have told others, if the high court of KS wants to rule in such a way, they ought to pass an amendment to-at the very least-remove God’s name from it. Because by implication, you are saying God gave you the “unalienable right to abort”.I can assure you as someone who has read the whole thing, He most certainly did not.
When a trumpet sounds in a city, do not the people tremble?
When disaster comes to a city, has not the Lord caused it? Amos 3:6
08-02-2022, 11:25 PM #4
Republicans outnumber Democrats by almost 2 to 1 in this state and this still was defeated 60-40. So we can’t blame this on the dems. And I personally know Christians who were against the amendment.
And realize, the amendment was just to state that the Kansas Constitution does NOT give you a “fundamental right to abort” which is what KS Supreme Court ruled, taking the power out of the legislatures hands to even regulate it.
And people came out in droves to vote. Not for ending war. Not for saving the rain forests. For protecting the right to kill the unborn as an absolute right.
Very sad.
75 percent of the Kansas population is still white.
Nothing is more important to a typical white woman, regardless of political affilaition, than the “right” to kill her offspring.
This is more Roe fallout.
Look for it to have a major impact in the fall elections.
“Truly, whoever can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” – Voltaire
08-03-2022, 02:38 AM #5
Nothing is more important to a typical white woman, regardless of political affilaition, than the “right” to kill her offspring.
This is more Roe fallout.
Look for it to have a major impact in the fall elections.
It’s an anomaly or fraud:
Supreme Court approval ticks *up* after end of Roe
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08-03-2022, 08:14 AM #6
This was a legitimate election run by a Pro-Life Secretary of State.
I am disgusted and saddened by this. The only consolation is we knew that Kansas is not a truly conservative state,
it is a purple state, but still, the high turnout of native Kansan women who are Pro-Choice says a lot about American women today.
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08-03-2022, 06:40 PM #7
Republicans outnumber Democrats by almost 2 to 1 in this state and this still was defeated 60-40. So we can’t blame this on the dems. And I personally know Christians who were against the amendment.
And realize, the amendment was just to state that the Kansas Constitution does NOT give you a “fundamental right to abort” which is what KS Supreme Court ruled, taking the power out of the legislatures hands to even regulate it.
And people came out in droves to vote. Not for ending war. Not for saving the rain forests. For protecting the right to kill the unborn as an absolute right.
Very sad.
The total votes cast regarding the amendment are much higher than the total votes cast in the statewide gov and senate primaries for both parties combined. My guess is lots of mail in vote fraud in the urban counties. Lots of ballots voting only on the amendment. Maybe some tinkering with the voting machines. There was fraud.
08-03-2022, 07:18 PM #8
I look at it as women in hansas and elsewhere believe in using tax dollars to kill babies. This is pretty well where you end up if you let women vote. Time to face reality , wile your standing in line at the grocer , look around , you are surrounded by gouls.
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08-03-2022, 11:16 PM #9
The total votes cast regarding the amendment are much higher than the total votes cast in the statewide gov and senate primaries for both parties combined. My guess is lots of mail in vote fraud in the urban counties. Lots of ballots voting only on the amendment. Maybe some tinkering with the voting machines. There was fraud.
Let’s see if @wizardwatson can verify this, but I thought Kansas only allows people registered with the two major parties to cast votes for their own party’s candidates in the primaries. Minor parties nominate their candidates at conventions. And Independents can only vote for party candidates if they switch their registration from Independent to one of the major parties. My understanding was that this was one of the major reasons that the Republican-majority legislature put this measure on the ballot in the August primary slot – they figured they outnumbered the democrats and that independents wouldn’t show up. Botta Bing, Botta Bang, instant passage. Unfortunately for those backing the amendment, Independents showed up big time.
Here at RPF, we don’t promote every conspiracy theory – merely the ones we’ve been made aware of. If there’s anything that Ron Paul followers know, it’s that bad things don’t just happen; bad things require dark and insidious forces acting in concert and in secret to make them happen.
08-04-2022, 12:30 AM #10
Let’s see if @wizardwatson can verify this, but I thought Kansas only allows people registered with the two major parties to cast votes for their own party’s candidates in the primaries. Minor parties nominate their candidates at conventions. And Independents can only vote for party candidates if they switch their registration from Independent to one of the major parties. My understanding was that this was one of the major reasons that the Republican-majority legislature put this measure on the ballot in the August primary slot – they figured they outnumbered the democrats and that independents wouldn’t show up. Botta Bing, Botta Bang, instant passage. Unfortunately for those backing the amendment, Independents showed up big time.
Independents voting is the perfect cover for mystery ballots.
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Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he’s a ruler
Groucho Marx
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Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
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08-04-2022, 02:56 AM #11
Sounds like sleight of hand to me.
“The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner
08-04-2022, 11:14 AM #12
Let’s see if @wizardwatson can verify this, but I thought Kansas only allows people registered with the two major parties to cast votes for their own party’s candidates in the primaries. Minor parties nominate their candidates at conventions. And Independents can only vote for party candidates if they switch their registration from Independent to one of the major parties. My understanding was that this was one of the major reasons that the Republican-majority legislature put this measure on the ballot in the August primary slot – they figured they outnumbered the democrats and that independents wouldn’t show up. Botta Bing, Botta Bang, instant passage. Unfortunately for those backing the amendment, Independents showed up big time.
I would say that’s definitely how “I” would have strategized, having worked in campaigns myself years back.
Even I initially thought this would pass. Only after seeing many conservatives and Christians falling for the “vast right-wing conspiracy to roll back human rights” angle, did I see that I was wrong as well.
This is an empowering victory for the left. They will milk this in the midterms. Abortion has become the flag of human rights.
So yes, I think this shows that the right has miscalculated here, and it also shows that many in the “right” unite with the left on this issue. There are more abortion amendments coming up in various states on the November ballot.
The whole thing makes me question the real agenda behind the overturning of Roe.
From a Christian perspective is makes sense the the moral degeneracy has progressed from “pride” boot-licking to protecting the “right to kill the unborn”. This is the sin for which God judged the Canaanites when Israel first took the holy land, burning their sons and daughters in the fire. Others have wrote about this, but the idea that humans have changed all that much from the days of Molek worship is unfounded if one simply reads the bible. Viewing the killing of your children as a “sacrament” (“a selfless sacrifice to the Gods for a blessing” in the case of Molek-worship, to the modern “women taking back their bodily autonomy from the misogynistic white patriarchy”) is not new. God knows the hearts of men, and the mental gymnastics we are capable of in our quest to make our worst sins not just “ok” through moral relativism, but a “sacrament” in the idol worship of humanism.
And just like the “compassionate” Jew of old joined hands and married into these cultures (“who are we to judge”) the modern day Christians have likewise been unfaithful to God in making excuses and condoning sinful behavior. Not that this sin is the “sin of all sins”. I believe many young women are pressured, their sin is many times selfishness and cowardice. The doctors who perform it and the priests of the day who push it, their sin is greater. In other words, the personal sin is certainly an issue, but there are prophetic implications of national judgement that this is now the hot issue of today…that America is uniting around defending an idol of Molek.
As Joe Dirt said, “Is this where you wanna be when Jesus comes back?”
When a trumpet sounds in a city, do not the people tremble?
When disaster comes to a city, has not the Lord caused it? Amos 3:6
08-04-2022, 12:24 PM #13
The total votes cast regarding the amendment are much higher than the total votes cast in the statewide gov and senate primaries for both parties combined. My guess is lots of mail in vote fraud in the urban counties. Lots of ballots voting only on the amendment. Maybe some tinkering with the voting machines. There was fraud.
(Total KS registered voters by month 2022)
https://sos.ks.gov/elections/electio…tics-data.html
Date Rep Dem Lib Unaff Total
01/2022 852,000 495,760 21,453 546,161 1,915,374
02/2022 851,036 494,847 21,513 547,815 1,915,211
03/2022 850,227 494,021 21,544 549,061 1,914,853
04/2022 850,433 493,590 21,652 551,920 1,917,595
05/2022 850,464 493,489 21,759 554,044 1,919,756
06/2022 850,553 493,661 21,891 556,542 1,922,647
07/2022 851,882 495,574 22,207 560,309 1,929,972Amendment Question results:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/…ts-kansas.html
No
538,709 58.9%
Yes
376,002 41.1%Total reported
914,711The primary turnout in 2020 in KS was 34.2% of 1,861,264 registered voters.
In the 2022 primary EVERYONE got to vote on the amendment. I’m registered libertarian so the abortion amendment was the only thing on my ballot. So based on the 914,711 total votes counted on that amendment, we know the turnout is 47% (914,711 votes out of 1,929,972).
I think this shows…
#1) that there weren’t a bunch of new registered voters. There was a less than 1% (0.84%) increase in registered voters from 2021, but it’s actually LESS registered voters than there were in KS in 2020 primary.
#2) Unaffiliated and Libertarian voters actually had a reason to show up for the primaries where normally they wouldn’t. In KS, they account for 30% of registered voters.
#3) While the turnout was significantly higher than normal primaries at 47%, it still wasn’t close to the general election turnout in 2020 which was 70.9%.
Don’t really think this is fraud, sorry.
When a trumpet sounds in a city, do not the people tremble?
When disaster comes to a city, has not the Lord caused it? Amos 3:6
08-04-2022, 01:27 PM #14
Kansas is a freak show.
Always has been.
John Brown is the epitome of the arrogant, holier than thou, Kansan.
There is no level of murder that is unacceptable for them to enforce their values on others.
It is no surprise that Kansas always elects senators with a direct line to the new world order.
08-04-2022, 02:01 PM #15
Don’t really think this is fraud, sorry.
Agree
08-04-2022, 03:22 PM #16
GOP Senators Say Kansas Abortion Result A ‘Wake-Up Call’ For Party
Republican senators were surprised by Tuesday’s huge win for abortion rights in Kansas, of all places, even as they sought to downplay the electoral implications for their party ahead of November’s midterm elections.
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The vote is likely to make Republicans in swing districts nervous, especially if they’re on the ballot with a similar referendum on abortion, like in California. It’s still unclear, however, whether voters in other states without abortion rights explicitly on the ballot will head to the polls in similar numbers in November.
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Even polling from Senate Republicans’ campaign arm has suggested the party’s stance on abortion rights isn’t politically ideal: In May, following the leak of a draft of the Supreme Court decision that ended Roe, the National Republican Senatorial Committee released a polling presentation on how their candidates should discuss abortion issues.In it, they asked voters to choose between two candidates. The first, a Republican, supports “banning abortions after 15 weeks with exceptions for the life and physical health of the mother or severe fatal abnormality of the baby.” The second, a Democrat, “supports unlimited abortion up until the moment of birth.”
The poll found 53% of voters would choose the Republican, while just 28% would choose the Democrat.
The obvious flaw in the survey? There does not appear to be a single member of the Republican caucus who holds the outlined position.
So what happens from here?
Does the GOP abortion plank eventually become “Ban abortion after 15 weeks (with exceptions)”?
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08-04-2022, 03:44 PM #17
One of the few good things that has come out of Kansas…
”There were four million people in the American Colonies and we had Jefferson and Franklin. Now we have over 300 million and the two top guys are Trump and Biden. What can you draw from this? Darwin was wrong.” ~ Mort Sahl
08-05-2022, 03:05 AM #18
Sounds like sleight of hand to me.
Many have pointed out that the ballot measure was worded poorly to the point it may have caused confusion about what Yes and No meant.
I’m sure every trick in the book was used.
There should be an investigation to look for fraud, but even if there was no fraud I do not believe this is representative of the people of Kansas. (let alone of the rest of the country)
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he’s a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
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08-05-2022, 03:22 AM #19
Many have pointed out that the ballot measure was worded poorly to the point it may have caused confusion about what Yes and No meant.
I’m sure every trick in the book was used.
There should be an investigation to look for fraud, but even if there was no fraud I do not believe this is representative of the people of Kansas. (let alone of the rest of the country)They do that in our state too. It is annoying because it trips up many people into agreeing for something that generally they wouldn’t agree to.
“The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner
08-05-2022, 04:10 AM #20
Others have wrote about this, but the idea that humans have changed all that much from the days of Molek worship is unfounded if one simply reads the bible. Viewing the killing of your children as a “sacrament” (“a selfless sacrifice to the Gods for a blessing” in the case of Molek-worship, to the modern “women taking back their bodily autonomy from the misogynistic white patriarchy”) is not new. God knows the hearts of men, and the mental gymnastics we are capable of in our quest to make our worst sins not just “ok” through moral relativism, but a “sacrament” in the idol worship of humanism.
IIRC weren’t the the Canaanites’ Molech idols made of brass with a fire pit in the belly for the specific purpose of tendering burnt offerings of your firstborn children?
Meanwhile in the UK just a couple of days ago at the opening ceremony of some sports fest:
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